Monday, April 20, 2009

9 comments:

Anonymous said...

oh.. you are so yesterday.

persona non grata said...

Not all of us have 20-20 hindsight.

Stewie said...

Im glad people of my country are finding out about the Zeitgeist as well.
Peter Joseph and Jacque Fresco has brilliantly made this documentary. Its self evident stuff and its the most complete doc i've ever seen. Join the movement!
I have been wanting to post this, but as little bit hesitant so far.

Simon said...

I liked Zeitgeist Addendum better.

But Shaafiee, this must have opened your eyes about religion?

persona non grata said...

I knew you'd ask, Simon. :)

It gives a very lucid presentation of the political exploits religions facilitate. However, it does not prove the non-existence of God. In fact, to me it does not prove the falsity of Christianity.

For me, what this documentary does highlight (with respect to religion) is the importance of secularism in all sorts of top-level management (especially governments).

Stewie said...

Zeitgeist the Movie was with three parts (religion,9/11,men behind curtain) is very interesting as well, but its just depressing and kind of creates fear. But it was necessary to expose them i guess. then addendum they released with indepth details on monetary system and the solution that is Venus Project advocated by Jacque Fresco. They also have orientation video aswell now. I do recommend to read this orientation guide:http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/The%20Zeitgeist%20Movement.pdf

meekaaku said...

Its a good movie, but watch it with a grain of salt :)

Simon said...

Shaafiee,

Sorry to come back to your posts so late. I have been extremely busy.

Anyway, could you explain to me how it does not prove the falsity of Christianity? From the documentary I understood that Christianity was based on some very ancient myths and beliefs of pagan religions.

Logically speaking what this doc says is that Christians today are believing in something that, as far as the ideology goes, is not original or unique. Therefore it follows that it is fake.

How does that not make Christianity false?

persona non grata said...

As you rightly point out, the truth about Christianity has been obfuscated over time. However, I doubt any religion can be original or unique (given that all are some form of belief system, which would have been inherent in even the first human communities).

The documentary is very limited in its argumentation. It has not delved extensively into how the Gospels correlate with the history. Neither does it analyze the interrelations between different sects of Christianity. Hence, the question of who Christ is and how he attained the Gospels (or contrived them, depending on how you see it) are not well-researched.

You and I both agree that religions are belief systems more than a divine agenda (the latter we would obviously dispute on). Hence, the origins of the belief system that is Christianity are in question and not the belief system itself. We practice some very good customs despite not realizing their roots.

Besides all that, the documentary tries to enlighten viewers about the exploitation of religions for political gains. The documentary goes on to emphasize that the retention of Christianity is important in its future utility as a political tool. Whether this means that the roots of Christianity have been unveiled as being bogus is not so clear.